Hi guys, I am back because I have a big questions mark about something.

I know that there are so many types of people from all around the world and they have their own way running their own life. Some are good and some are bad .. but Who are we to Judge other people life?

We don't even know them and their background, still sometime by something which I don't understand it giving another people to judge other people life. I know it is human nature, that once they know someone or something is bad, right away they will judge other around it also bad. Example : we hear that An australian husband beating up his indonesian wife, does it make all australian men are bad and like to beat his own wife ? ( sorry for australian, this is only an example ;p ).

We all a grown up person, true we can judge what type of person we are dealing with, but you can't just take your judgement and said that all are bad base on your own judgement, especially you don't know the entire story. Even though you know the whole story of that person, but does it make all the people at the same group also bad ?

If one of JC's girl is bad ( just sample ) will it make all the JC's girls are bad ??? I don't think it is like that ... God has give us brain to think.

Sorry guys .. but what do you think about what I said ? Is it fair to judge others bad just because of one person bad ?
Hi guys, I am back because I have a big questions mark about something.<br /> <br /> I know that there are so many types of people from all around the world and they have their own way running their own life. Some are good and some are bad .. but Who are we to Judge other people life?<br /> <br /> We don't even know them and their background, still sometime by something which I don't understand it giving another people to judge other people life. I know it is human nature, that once they know someone or something is bad, right away they will judge other around it also bad. Example : we hear that An australian husband beating up his indonesian wife, does it make all australian men are bad and like to beat his own wife ? ( sorry for australian, this is only an example ;p ).<br /> <br /> We all a grown up person, true we can judge what type of person we are dealing with, but you can't just take your judgement and said that all are bad base on your own judgement, especially you don't know the entire story. Even though you know the whole story of that person, but does it make all the people at the same group also bad ? <br /> <br /> If one of JC's girl is bad ( just sample ) will it make all the JC's girls are bad ??? I don't think it is like that ... God has give us brain to think. <br /> <br /> Sorry guys .. but what do you think about what I said ? Is it fair to judge others bad just because of one person bad ?
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You generally find the vociferous ones are the ones who live pretty boring lonely lives - better not to worry , let them stay at home with their misery .

Personally , I couldn't really care less what someone gets up to - after all , you are not my wife .....

At work , we have to tolerate people we don't like , but outside working hours we can be who or what we want to be , just so long as we don't hurt anyone else in the process -

I believe Dilli's turn of phrase is "Fuckem".
You generally find the vociferous ones are the ones who live pretty boring lonely lives - better not to worry , let them stay at home with their misery .<br /> <br /> Personally , I couldn't really care less what someone gets up to - after all , you are not my wife .....<br /> <br /> At work , we have to tolerate people we don't like , but outside working hours we can be who or what we want to be , just so long as we don't hurt anyone else in the process -<br /> <br /> I believe Dilli's turn of phrase is "Fuckem".
I also made a vegetarian version,with tempe and tofu chunks for myself and others.Get over it.
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You generally find the vociferous ones are the ones who live pretty boring lonely lives - better not to worry , let them stay at home with their misery .


In other words, since they are lonely, they have rights to judge and interfere ... well then it seem this proverb : Sirik tanda tak mampu is true ? ;p I am not bother about what that person want to say but it is really bother me when just because of one person, he/she right away make a judgement that all are bad. and top of it, sometimes they are so busy judging other people life, they don't realize that their life it self is in a mess.

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Personally , I couldn't really care less what someone gets up to - after all , you are not my wife .....


Ahhhhh Lucky me then *winks*

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At work , we have to tolerate people we don't like , but outside working hours we can be who or what we want to be , just so long as we don't hurt anyone else in the process -


I agree with you, as long as we don't hurt other people, we just do what we think right for our self. I already have my own problem in life, why I have to bother about other people life.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You generally find the vociferous ones are the ones who live pretty boring lonely lives - better not to worry , let them stay at home with their misery .</div></div><br /> <br /> In other words, since they are lonely, they have rights to judge and interfere ... well then it seem this proverb : Sirik tanda tak mampu is true ? ;p I am not bother about what that person want to say but it is really bother me when just because of one person, he/she right away make a judgement that all are bad. and top of it, sometimes they are so busy judging other people life, they don't realize that their life it self is in a mess.<br /> <br /> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally , I couldn't really care less what someone gets up to - after all , you are not my wife .....</div></div><br /> <br /> Ahhhhh Lucky me then *winks*<br /> <br /> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At work , we have to tolerate people we don't like , but outside working hours we can be who or what we want to be , just so long as we don't hurt anyone else in the process -</div></div><br /> <br /> I agree with you, as long as we don't hurt other people, we just do what we think right for our self. I already have my own problem in life, why I have to bother about other people life.<br /> <br />
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Originally Posted By: TeDdYBeAr
Is it fair to judge others bad just because of one person bad ?


Definitely not.. btw, welcome back smile
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TeDdYBeAr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it fair to judge others bad just because of one person bad ?</div></div> <br /> <br /> Definitely not.. btw, welcome back <img src="http://batamchat.com/cf/sites/default/assets/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />
TB, absouloutly not! Coz' no body perfects!!!
TB, absouloutly not! Coz' no body perfects!!!
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Choco ....

Thank you and it is nice to be back, coz I really like to be here and really comfortable.

Dolphin ...

Agree with you that nobody perfect. But I guess not all the people realise that smile Sometimes I feel sad, how people from other part of the world thinking bad about indonesia, just because they read from newspaper which may not true, or just because they heard some bunch of indonesian done bad things smile
Choco ....<br /> <br /> Thank you and it is nice to be back, coz I really like to be here and really comfortable. <br /> <br /> Dolphin ...<br /> <br /> Agree with you that nobody perfect. But I guess not all the people realise that <img src="http://batamchat.com/cf/sites/default/assets/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" /> Sometimes I feel sad, how people from other part of the world thinking bad about indonesia, just because they read from newspaper which may not true, or just because they heard some bunch of indonesian done bad things <img src="http://batamchat.com/cf/sites/default/assets/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" />
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TB, to lift this discussion onto a more serious subject:

Firstly lets look at Indonesia through the eyes of the outside world – through Ebay. Take a look at Ebay and count how many sellers specify “I WILL NOT SHIP TO INDONESIA”

When I discussed this on a thread Kuku said:

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it's not just ebay. for many years now there has been an "unofficial" blanket ban by US credit card service providers on accepting credit cards issued in indonesia, including those issued by international banks.

nearly every single week, i get enquiries from the US and Europe asking me to verify the bonefides of some company based in indonesia, and in 100% of cases they are frauds.
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(The entire thread is under “Indonesia and Ebay”)

So – here is a classic situation. I know that the majority of Indonesians would not steal from me on Ebay. I don’t think and one on Jakchat would ever consider stealing from me. In fact I don’t know ANY Indonesian that I would not trust – I once left my suit jacker plus waller in the 5+1 for 2 hours and when I cam back some Ayam handed it to me, money still intact.

But a majority of the world doesn’t trust Indonesians because some of them rip people off.

Now here is the sad thing – as Chewwy pointed out:

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really do wish that something could be sorted out with Indonesia and E-bay as it could really give a boost to small / mid-sized craft and furniture companies. Can you imagine how well Indonesian furniture would do on e-bay!! Somebody could make serious amounts of money.
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And in a later post in the same thread he commented:

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Its a shame that people don’t understand that the types of business practices used by SOME Indonesians causes so much damage to their country. Can you imagine how much more money would flow in to Indonesia if investors didn’t have to worry about being ripped off and government corruption? Imagine how exports would grow if people could rely on things being delivered on time, on budget and to the standards promised!
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So here we have a general opinion fostered by a minority of Indonesians that harms all Indonesians as a whole……..
TB, to lift this discussion onto a more serious subject:<br /> <br /> Firstly lets look at Indonesia through the eyes of the outside world &ndash; through Ebay. Take a look at Ebay and count how many sellers specify &ldquo;I WILL NOT SHIP TO INDONESIA&rdquo;<br /> <br /> When I discussed this on a thread Kuku said:<br /> <br /> +++++++++++++++++<br /> it's not just ebay. for many years now there has been an "unofficial" blanket ban by US credit card service providers on accepting credit cards issued in indonesia, including those issued by international banks.<br /> <br /> nearly every single week, i get enquiries from the US and Europe asking me to verify the bonefides of some company based in indonesia, and in 100% of cases they are frauds. <br /> _________________________<br /> <br /> ++++++++++++++++++++<br /> (The entire thread is under &ldquo;Indonesia and Ebay&rdquo;)<br /> <br /> So &ndash; here is a classic situation. I know that the majority of Indonesians would not steal from me on Ebay. I don&rsquo;t think and one on Jakchat would ever consider stealing from me. In fact I don&rsquo;t know ANY Indonesian that I would not trust &ndash; I once left my suit jacker plus waller in the 5+1 for 2 hours and when I cam back some Ayam handed it to me, money still intact.<br /> <br /> But a majority of the world doesn&rsquo;t trust Indonesians because some of them rip people off. <br /> <br /> Now here is the sad thing &ndash; as Chewwy pointed out:<br /> <br /> +++++++++++++++++++++++<br /> really do wish that something could be sorted out with Indonesia and E-bay as it could really give a boost to small / mid-sized craft and furniture companies. Can you imagine how well Indonesian furniture would do on e-bay!! Somebody could make serious amounts of money.<br /> +++++++++++++++++++++++++<br /> <br /> <br /> And in a later post in the same thread he commented:<br /> <br /> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br /> Its a shame that people don&rsquo;t understand that the types of business practices used by SOME Indonesians causes so much damage to their country. Can you imagine how much more money would flow in to Indonesia if investors didn&rsquo;t have to worry about being ripped off and government corruption? Imagine how exports would grow if people could rely on things being delivered on time, on budget and to the standards promised!<br /> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<br /> <br /> So here we have a general opinion fostered by a minority of Indonesians that harms all Indonesians as a whole&hellip;&hellip;..<br />
Originally Posted By: TeDdYBeAr
Choco ....
Agree with you that nobody perfect. But I guess not all the people realise that smile Sometimes I feel sad, how people from other part of the world thinking bad about indonesia, just because they read from newspaper which may not true, or just because they heard some bunch of indonesian done bad things smile

bad stories about indo are mostly true! honestly i'm NOT very proud of having an indo passport. wished bali isn't part of indo!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TeDdYBeAr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Choco ....<br /> Agree with you that nobody perfect. But I guess not all the people realise that <img src="http://batamchat.com/cf/sites/default/assets/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" /> Sometimes I feel sad, how people from other part of the world thinking bad about indonesia, just because they read from newspaper which may not true, or just because they heard some bunch of indonesian done bad things <img src="http://batamchat.com/cf/sites/default/assets/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="smile" title="smile" height="15" width="15" /> </div></div><br /> bad stories about indo are mostly true! honestly i'm NOT very proud of having an indo passport. wished bali isn't part of indo!
Now lets look at how a relaxed attitude to ayams affects a national reputation. Lets look at Thailand:

The following extracts are from a Mango Sauce article from June last year:

“Even if she's a blameless accountant, most people from Farangland will assume that your Thai girlfriend is either a cheap prostitute or nymphomaniac sex-slave. This media-fuelled stereotype can lead to all sorts of misunderstandings…….”
“When you visit Farangland (read bule land) with your Thai girlfriend, however, poisonous stares from jealous white women are the least of your worries. If you leave her alone - even for just a few minutes - in London's West End, she'll almost certainly be hit on by sexual predators, asked her price by shameless whoremongers or sounded out by pushy would-be pimps. Unless you've seen it with your own eyes, it's hard to believe that this parallel universe of sleaze exists at a Starbucks near you.”

“A chum from Green Lanes in North London can't even take his Thai wife to the local supermarket without Kurdish men asking him her price. On several occasions, the horny buggers even came knocking at his front door. Perhaps that's how things are done in Kurdistan……….”

“It goes without saying that a Thai girl in a Farangland nightclub can expect to be pestered mercilessly.”
Now lets look at how a relaxed attitude to ayams affects a national reputation. Lets look at Thailand:<br /> <br /> The following extracts are from a Mango Sauce article from June last year:<br /> <br /> &ldquo;Even if she's a blameless accountant, most people from Farangland will assume that your Thai girlfriend is either a cheap prostitute or nymphomaniac sex-slave. This media-fuelled stereotype can lead to all sorts of misunderstandings&hellip;&hellip;.&rdquo;<br /> &ldquo;When you visit Farangland (read bule land) with your Thai girlfriend, however, poisonous stares from jealous white women are the least of your worries. If you leave her alone - even for just a few minutes - in London's West End, she'll almost certainly be hit on by sexual predators, asked her price by shameless whoremongers or sounded out by pushy would-be pimps. Unless you've seen it with your own eyes, it's hard to believe that this parallel universe of sleaze exists at a Starbucks near you.&rdquo;<br /> <br /> &ldquo;A chum from Green Lanes in North London can't even take his Thai wife to the local supermarket without Kurdish men asking him her price. On several occasions, the horny buggers even came knocking at his front door. Perhaps that's how things are done in Kurdistan&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;.&rdquo;<br /> <br /> &ldquo;It goes without saying that a Thai girl in a Farangland nightclub can expect to be pestered mercilessly.&rdquo;<br />
In the case of Insonesia, read this entry from the world Sex Guide:
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996

"A person I met lived in Singapore and told me that his favorite place to go in the region was not Thailand, not the Philippines, but was in fact Jakarta, Indonesia. He said it was very easy to meet women in the discos. That these women were for the most part of amateur status - who came out only a few times a month to earn a little extra pay. Many speak English and he has become friends with a number of them. Places to meet them are Tan Amour disco and two after hour places - Tambourin and a MacDonalds very near by. These 2 places were best visited after 3AM. A hotel that he recommended was the Marco Polo - not cheap ($50 per night), but it allows girls. Hopefully, I will make it here in the near future and I will report back."


Now ask yourself if the writer really discriminates between Ayam, good time girls and normal hard working Indonesian office girls when he meets one in a bar. I don’t think so……
In the case of Insonesia, read this entry from the world Sex Guide:<br /> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 <br /> <br /> "A person I met lived in Singapore and told me that his favorite place to go in the region was not Thailand, not the Philippines, but was in fact Jakarta, Indonesia. He said it was very easy to meet women in the discos. That these women were for the most part of amateur status - who came out only a few times a month to earn a little extra pay. Many speak English and he has become friends with a number of them. Places to meet them are Tan Amour disco and two after hour places - Tambourin and a MacDonalds very near by. These 2 places were best visited after 3AM. A hotel that he recommended was the Marco Polo - not cheap ($50 per night), but it allows girls. Hopefully, I will make it here in the near future and I will report back."<br /> <br /> <br /> Now ask yourself if the writer really discriminates between Ayam, good time girls and normal hard working Indonesian office girls when he meets one in a bar. I don&rsquo;t think so&hellip;&hellip;<br />
WD wrote: "bad stories about indo are mostly true! honestly i'm NOT very proud of having an indo passport. wished bali isn't part of indo!"

What is so good about Bali WD? It is just as badly mismanaged as the rest of Indonesia and it's local leaders just as corrupt.
WD wrote: "bad stories about indo are mostly true! honestly i'm NOT very proud of having an indo passport. wished bali isn't part of indo!" <br /> <br /> What is so good about Bali WD? It is just as badly mismanaged as the rest of Indonesia and it's local leaders just as corrupt.
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Thirdly, lets look at government generalisations:
Although the chances of getting HIv/AIDS or getting run over by traffic are higher, the Australian government issues travel warnings about terror. This is another generalisation. Not every Indonesian want to kill Westerners, or Christians……
Summary
• We advise you to reconsider your need to travel to Indonesia, including Bali, at this time due to the very high threat of terrorist attack. We continue to receive a stream of reporting indicating that terrorists are in the advanced stages of planning attacks against Western interests in Indonesia against a range of targets, including places frequented by foreigners. If you are in Indonesia, including Bali, and are concerned for your safety you should consider departing. If you do decide to travel to Indonesia, including Bali, you should exercise extreme caution.
• In December 2005, Indonesian authorities warned publicly that terrorists in Indonesia may be planning to kidnap foreigners.
• Terrorist attacks against Westerners in Bali and Jakarta indicate that these areas are a priority target for terrorists in Indonesia. Suicide attacks against locations frequented by foreigners in Bali and Jakarta have killed and injured many people. Extremists may be planning attacks from August to December 2006. Locations that might be targets, include Jakarta, Bali and Batam. However terrorist attacks could occur at any time, anywhere in Indonesia, against a wide range of possible targets, in particular places frequented by foreigners.
Thirdly, lets look at government generalisations:<br /> Although the chances of getting HIv/AIDS or getting run over by traffic are higher, the Australian government issues travel warnings about terror. This is another generalisation. Not every Indonesian want to kill Westerners, or Christians&hellip;&hellip;<br /> Summary <br /> &bull; We advise you to reconsider your need to travel to Indonesia, including Bali, at this time due to the very high threat of terrorist attack. We continue to receive a stream of reporting indicating that terrorists are in the advanced stages of planning attacks against Western interests in Indonesia against a range of targets, including places frequented by foreigners. If you are in Indonesia, including Bali, and are concerned for your safety you should consider departing. If you do decide to travel to Indonesia, including Bali, you should exercise extreme caution. <br /> &bull; In December 2005, Indonesian authorities warned publicly that terrorists in Indonesia may be planning to kidnap foreigners. <br /> &bull; Terrorist attacks against Westerners in Bali and Jakarta indicate that these areas are a priority target for terrorists in Indonesia. Suicide attacks against locations frequented by foreigners in Bali and Jakarta have killed and injured many people. Extremists may be planning attacks from August to December 2006. Locations that might be targets, include Jakarta, Bali and Batam. However terrorist attacks could occur at any time, anywhere in Indonesia, against a wide range of possible targets, in particular places frequented by foreigners. <br />
Even most people in another country from around the world said and thinking bad things about Indonesia. I'm still proud born in Indonesia and be an Indonesian . Why? coz i feel Indonesia its beautiful country, have so many cultures and have different languages etc. And i know Indonesia have bad some reputactions but its not point Indonesia be so bad. And i think all of countries in this world have some bad things also!
Even most people in another country from around the world said and thinking bad things about Indonesia. I'm still proud born in Indonesia and be an Indonesian . Why? coz i feel Indonesia its beautiful country, have so many cultures and have different languages etc. And i know Indonesia have bad some reputactions but its not point Indonesia be so bad. And i think all of countries in this world have some bad things also!
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Originally Posted By: dolphin
Even most people in another country from around the world said and thinking bad things about Indonesia. I'm still proud born in Indonesia and be an Indonesian . Why? coz i feel Indonesia its beautiful country, have so many cultures and have different languages etc. And i know Indonesia have bad some reputactions but its not point Indonesia be so bad. And i think all of countries in this world have some bad things also!



Dolphin, I am afraid you misunderstood my point.

TB asked if it as acceptable to judge a group by the actions of some of its members.

She gave the example:


Example : we hear that An australian husband beating up his indonesian wife, does it make all australian men are bad and like to beat his own wife ? ( sorry for australian, this is only an example ;p ).



I used generalisations about Indonesia because they are known to TB.

I could just as easily have used generalisations about Americans, Australians, English etc. People say bad things about all countries.

I was not attacking or belittling Indonesia. I was simply pointing out that the world judges in by the actions of some Indonesians.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dolphin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even most people in another country from around the world said and thinking bad things about Indonesia. I'm still proud born in Indonesia and be an Indonesian . Why? coz i feel Indonesia its beautiful country, have so many cultures and have different languages etc. And i know Indonesia have bad some reputactions but its not point Indonesia be so bad. And i think all of countries in this world have some bad things also!</div></div> <br /> <br /> <br /> Dolphin, I am afraid you misunderstood my point.<br /> <br /> TB asked if it as acceptable to judge a group by the actions of some of its members.<br /> <br /> She gave the example:<br /> <br /> <br /> Example : we hear that An australian husband beating up his indonesian wife, does it make all australian men are bad and like to beat his own wife ? ( sorry for australian, this is only an example ;p ).<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I used generalisations about Indonesia because they are known to TB. <br /> <br /> I could just as easily have used generalisations about Americans, Australians, English etc. People say bad things about all countries. <br /> <br /> I was not attacking or belittling Indonesia. I was simply pointing out that the world judges in by the actions of some Indonesians. <br />
PB, no worries mate! Everything you said thats cool. I just wanna tell about my country that i'm so proud and always loven' it! Be Indonesian even not perfect!
PB, no worries mate! Everything you said thats cool. I just wanna tell about my country that i'm so proud and always loven' it! Be Indonesian even not perfect!
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PB, your first reply on this topic, which you mention in the shoutbox.

I have read it.

I know that some Indonesian are really bad in business, they are trying to cheat to get as many profit as they want without even thinking other people safety. And this make other people from another country or other part of the world perfer not to dealing with Indonesia, as they feel that they will be ripped off by Indonesian. Sad but there are truth inside it. And the bad part of this is there are good business man from Indonesia who tried to build his business, not getting a chance because of the bad remarks for Indonesia.

Even we as Indonesian also have bad remarks to some part of our own people ... Like "Don't dealing with Kalimantan People, as they will ripped you off" ( sorry for Kalimantan People ! ) I don't believe this, why must blame the whole Kalimantan People for few bad people and for that shut the whole opportunity for them to be succeed ?

But Like you said in the last post of yours, actually almost all the country in the world having bad remarks. China, Hongkong are famous with their cheating in the business. They will even rip you off worse than Indonesia can do. Dealing with China people must be extra carefull because usually they are giving a very good sample and first shipment, but after that, they will send you junks and it will cost you millions. Especially medicine from China, people are scare for their medicine. Heard alot about this, but then why still people want to deal with Chinese ? Because not all the chinese people are like that ...

Even lately I am dealing with them and I notice some of them even really good in giving service, but some of them are really difficult. And I don't think their Govt also better than Indonesia. So again it raised a questions ... Why only Indonesia having a very bad remarks just because of the bunch of people ?
And also for the corrupt Govt, it has nothing to do with the ordinary people, in fact almost indonesian also cursing them.

I guess it is a human nature, they will judge the whole bunch bad just because some people in the bunch are bad and not giving a chance for the good one. They should not judge for the whole country but God has given us Brain and ability to see and decide to whom we want to deal or friends with.
PB, your first reply on this topic, which you mention in the shoutbox.<br /> <br /> I have read it.<br /> <br /> I know that some Indonesian are really bad in business, they are trying to cheat to get as many profit as they want without even thinking other people safety. And this make other people from another country or other part of the world perfer not to dealing with Indonesia, as they feel that they will be ripped off by Indonesian. Sad but there are truth inside it. And the bad part of this is there are good business man from Indonesia who tried to build his business, not getting a chance because of the bad remarks for Indonesia. <br /> <br /> Even we as Indonesian also have bad remarks to some part of our own people ... Like &quot;Don't dealing with Kalimantan People, as they will ripped you off&quot; ( sorry for Kalimantan People ! ) I don't believe this, why must blame the whole Kalimantan People for few bad people and for that shut the whole opportunity for them to be succeed ? <br /> <br /> But Like you said in the last post of yours, actually almost all the country in the world having bad remarks. China, Hongkong are famous with their cheating in the business. They will even rip you off worse than Indonesia can do. Dealing with China people must be extra carefull because usually they are giving a very good sample and first shipment, but after that, they will send you junks and it will cost you millions. Especially medicine from China, people are scare for their medicine. Heard alot about this, but then why still people want to deal with Chinese ? Because not all the chinese people are like that ... <br /> <br /> Even lately I am dealing with them and I notice some of them even really good in giving service, but some of them are really difficult. And I don't think their Govt also better than Indonesia. So again it raised a questions ... Why only Indonesia having a very bad remarks just because of the bunch of people ?<br /> And also for the corrupt Govt, it has nothing to do with the ordinary people, in fact almost indonesian also cursing them. <br /> <br /> I guess it is a human nature, they will judge the whole bunch bad just because some people in the bunch are bad and not giving a chance for the good one. They should not judge for the whole country but God has given us Brain and ability to see and decide to whom we want to deal or friends with.
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bad stories about indo are mostly true! honestly i'm NOT very proud of having an indo passport. wished bali isn't part of indo!


Well WD, I am sad to read this.
why must judge the whole indonesia is bad ?? I think its all should back to the people it self. Not all Indonesian bad and some of the people even tried very hard to make Indonesia change. But what Suharto has done for 35 years really hard to change. It is not easy to change corrupt people only in 5 years time.

180 degrees from you, I am proud to be Indonesian, and I didn't find anything wrong to be Indonesian, as long as I never do anything bad which can hurt or harm other people. If I am an american lady but my attitude really bad and worse, I guess I will not be proud to be an american also ... So again its all back to the person it self.

There are always good and bad inside a person and it is up to the person which side she/he want to show it to the world.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">bad stories about indo are mostly true! honestly i'm NOT very proud of having an indo passport. wished bali isn't part of indo!</div></div><br /> <br /> Well WD, I am sad to read this.<br /> why must judge the whole indonesia is bad ?? I think its all should back to the people it self. Not all Indonesian bad and some of the people even tried very hard to make Indonesia change. But what Suharto has done for 35 years really hard to change. It is not easy to change corrupt people only in 5 years time. <br /> <br /> 180 degrees from you, I am proud to be Indonesian, and I didn't find anything wrong to be Indonesian, as long as I never do anything bad which can hurt or harm other people. If I am an american lady but my attitude really bad and worse, I guess I will not be proud to be an american also ... So again its all back to the person it self.<br /> <br /> There are always good and bad inside a person and it is up to the person which side she/he want to show it to the world.
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Now TB, allow me to combine your first post with your last:

First post:

”We all a grown up person, true we can judge what type of person we are dealing with, but you can't just take your judgement and said that all are bad base on your own judgement, especially you don't know the entire story. Even though you know the whole story of that person, but does it make all the people at the same group also bad ?

If one of JC's girl is bad ( just sample ) will it make all the JC's girls are bad ??? I don't think it is like that ... God has give us brain to think.

Sorry guys .. but what do you think about what I said ? Is it fair to judge others bad just because of one person bad ?”



Last post:

“I guess it is a human nature, they will judge the whole bunch bad just because some people in the bunch are bad and not giving a chance for the good one..”



I really didn’t want to raise the Indonesian issues, (I found it embarrassing) but it served its purpose.
Now TB, allow me to combine your first post with your last:<br /> <br /> First post:<br /> <br /> &rdquo;We all a grown up person, true we can judge what type of person we are dealing with, but you can't just take your judgement and said that all are bad base on your own judgement, especially you don't know the entire story. Even though you know the whole story of that person, but does it make all the people at the same group also bad ? <br /> <br /> If one of JC's girl is bad ( just sample ) will it make all the JC's girls are bad ??? I don't think it is like that ... God has give us brain to think. <br /> <br /> Sorry guys .. but what do you think about what I said ? Is it fair to judge others bad just because of one person bad ?&rdquo;<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Last post:<br /> <br /> &ldquo;I guess it is a human nature, they will judge the whole bunch bad just because some people in the bunch are bad and not giving a chance for the good one..&rdquo;<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I really didn&rsquo;t want to raise the Indonesian issues, (I found it embarrassing) but it served its purpose. <br />
Still with the same questions

Even though its a human nature, is it really FAIR ?
If not then why still do it ? wink

And just because its a human nature, we are allow to do it ?

Its also a human nature want to have so many profit as they want, so it is ok to do anything we can do to get the profit and have no heart to others ??

I don't think it is right and use a human nature excuse to make our attitude become right.
Still with the same questions<br /> <br /> Even though its a human nature, is it really FAIR ?<br /> If not then why still do it ? <img src="http://batamchat.com/cf/sites/default/assets/img/smileys/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink" height="15" width="15" /><br /> <br /> And just because its a human nature, we are allow to do it ?<br /> <br /> Its also a human nature want to have so many profit as they want, so it is ok to do anything we can do to get the profit and have no heart to others ??<br /> <br /> I don't think it is right and use a human nature excuse to make our attitude become right.
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you make a good point TB, but not a lot in life is fair.....

right now poor people who have stuggled all of their lives are watching water take away what little they have. It isnt fair either....

God doesnt seem to be fair sometimes. frown
you make a good point TB, but not a lot in life is fair.....<br /> <br /> right now poor people who have stuggled all of their lives are watching water take away what little they have. It isnt fair either....<br /> <br /> God doesnt seem to be fair sometimes. <img src="http://batamchat.com/cf/sites/default/assets/img/smileys/frown.gif" alt="frown" title="frown" height="15" width="15" /><br />
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